In an interview with Andrew Willard Jones, author of Before Church and State, in the most recent episode of The Josias Podcast, the subject of Spiritual Rulers wielding temporal authority and Temporal Rulers with spiritual authority was briefly discussed.  Now while the scope of the book itself is mainly focused on reign of St. Louis IX in 13^th century France, exploring across the Vosges, looking at the relations of the Church and Empire broadly from the establishment of the Church’s involvement in the Imperium of Charlemagne to the continued position of the Princely-[Arch]Bishops in the Austrian Empire, will help resolve some of the issues brought up by the podcast’s discussion.

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