For the Frankish Princes were first Kings, then were truly declared Emperors, this to the extent that from the Roman Pontiff who for this purpose anointed them with holy oil, the title derived. Anointed in this manner by the Pontiff, Charlemagne, our great-grandfather, first of our House and lineage, abundant in piety, was rightly declared Emperor and made anointed Lord, especially when often such persons the Imperium received, who did not receive it by Divine will set forth through the Pontifical ministry, but only by the Senate and the people, these not being ordained to grant the Imperial Dignity. Some persons truly did not even have this, but were only acclaimed by soldiers and so confirmed in the Empire, likewise those who from women moreover and even in other ways received the Roman Sceptre. Further, if you accuse falsely the Roman Pontiff who confers the Imperium in this manner, would you not also accuse Samuel, who rejected Saul, whom he himself had anointed, and in his stead anointed David in Kingship?
-Louis II Emperor August of the Romans
Basil I King of the Greeks, styling himself Emperor
Hey man, I’m here from the Orthosphere. Could you outline your worldview in a few lines so I could get an understanding of where you are coming from?
I’ll outline mine soon, but I’m a bit busy right now.
The Hapsburg Restorationist said:
Firstly, I’d like to say that I will do my level best to keep this a courteous conversation, and I trust you will do the same. Secondly, I’d like you to understand that in this comment I am simply stating my principles, and not as of yet defending them.
Let’s start with my most basic principle, that through sound reason it can be known that the Catholic Church is right. If this principle is correct, than it is also true that the teaching of the Catholic Church should influence every important aspect of life, including the political aspect. Now the Church has taught that political systems must work towards the Common Good. The more a political system works toward the Common Good the better it is. Furthermore, all just political authority has its ultimate origin in God, most directly through God’s Church. The political system which serves the Common Good to the greatest extent, and which receives its authority directly from the Roman Pontiff as the representative of God, the system which indeed has a specially consecrated political authority, a system which had endured longer than any political entity, is of course, the Holy Roman Empire or Christendom. And the legitimate heir of the Holy Roman Emperors, by right and law, by prophecy and election, is the Head of the House of Hapsburg.
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And I’m going to outline my world-view and explain where I am coming from. Firstly, I am a Roman Catholic albeit not as religious or as devout as I used to be. I used to be your typical JPII/BXVI conservative orthodox Catholic (though I have always had sympathies for the SSPX which recently have gone from mild to strong).
Secondly, from a political standpoint I’m a nationalist and populist and I’m influenced by the German Revolutionary Right especially Carl Schmitt and Oswald Spengler and but the American Interwar Right such as that of Charles Lindbergh, Fr. Coughlin, and the like.
I believe that the nation is not a proposition but an organic entity (i.e. the Common Good) consisting of the bond between countrymen and the concentric circles that make up society (family-local community-national community-civilization) i.e. subsidiarity and solidarity.
It’s our duties to protect our civilization and our nations within our civilization and our communities and families therein.
So I think we agree on the What. What we disagree with is on the How. The Hapsburg Monarchy may work for Austria and Catholic Europe but it has nothing to do with us Americans.
Also, we disagree on Bertoglio. He has shown himself to be an enemy of the Common Good by explicitly morally condoning the invasive influx of hostile aliens who have no place in our civilization. He has ignored the murders and the rapes and has condemned those who want to keep the Saracen out.
The Hapsburg Restorationist said:
Now that you’ve stated your case, I’d like to ask you a few questions, then after you answer, you may in turn ask me some of your own. Firstly, what exactly do you mean by populist? Secondly, who functions as the leader at the highest level, i.e. Civilization? And thirdly, in future, when referring to alleged statements of the Pope, could you please provide direct quotes from, let us say, the Vatican website (vatican.va)?
THR, I googled “Pope Francis on refugees” and there was so much material that I didn’t know what to post but here are some things: https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/messages/migration.index.html
THR, I just don’t see how a Pope that is absolutely beloved by homosexuals, Marcusian/Structuralist New Leftists and other degenerates and cultural defilers can’t be a good one. How many times can a man be taken out of context?
I have nothing against taking in Christian refugees but we should NOT take in Muslim refugees, especially Sunnis. Victor Orban has the best policy on the issue, he refuses to take in any refugees except for the long-suffering Christian ones. It is a fact that “Syrian” “refugees” are responsible for the recent increase in rape (Cologne Sex Attacks) and various murders. It’s gotten so bad that Germans are now burning down refugee centers and even Swedes are forming militias to attack “refugees” (in retaliation for the murder of a beautiful Lebanese Christian girl whose parents immigrated to Sweden and who was murdered by “refugees”). These refugees are about 80% young men and about 25% Syrian. In reality this is an invasion, a real Camp of the Saints scenario.
The leader of a civilization? That I can not answer. At one point that would have been the Pope (regarding the West) but we can’t even say that since the Catholic Church is a Universal church and within the West itself we have the Protestant-Catholic divide. Civilization is an ethos on top of an organic entity and the ethos is that of the West which rose from the death of Roman Christendom (as did the Christian East) and was further defined by the unified opposition of the countries that formed from the carcass of Rome against the Eastern Orthodox, the Saracens, the Jews, and the remaining bands of Pagans.
As for populist, I believe that our countries are led by an elite hostile to our interests and I believe that the will of the people must win out over their machinations. In America that would mean the Middle American Revolution as predicted by Sam Francis. Pat Buchanan (I’m sure you know about that Catholic gentleman) tried to set off the MAR as did Ross Perot but they were too early for their time. I know you may not like this, but Donald Trump has set it off.
As for platform wise, it means that I am economically moderate/liberal and right-wing in everything else so I support things like isolationism, protectionism, nationalism, labor (because the working class are the backbone of the nation), nativism, conservationism (stewarding the Earth is important), and social conservatism. That being said, I am more pragmatic than ideological but I would consider myself to be a paleoconservative ideology i.e. Chronicles Magazine style stuff.
Feel free to ask me more questions. I’m rather busy now and I’ll ask you mine later.
The Hapsburg Restorationist said:
Alright, so I’m probably not going to convince you, but here I go: in one of the links you gave me, the Pope said, “The Church stands at the side of all who work to defend each person’s right to live with dignity, first and foremost by exercising the right not to emigrate and to contribute to the development of one’s country of origin. This process should include, from the outset, the need to assist the countries which migrants and refugees leave. This will demonstrate that solidarity, cooperation, international interdependence and the equitable distribution of the earth’s goods are essential for more decisive efforts, especially in areas where migration movements begin, to eliminate those imbalances which lead people, individually or collectively, to abandon their own natural and cultural environment. In any case, it is necessary to avert, if possible at the earliest stages, the flight of refugees and departures as a result of poverty, violence and persecution.” What he’s saying is that we should have worked to prevent this situation in the first place, and that the only solutions now are stability in the countries or integration. Wouldn’t you agree? As to your other question, about why the Left loves the Pope, all I can say is that while I’m not certain, isn’t this exactly the sort of thing they would do? Twist his words and alienate his most faithful supporters from him? Do you still trust in Christ’s promise, that He would protect His Church until the End of the World?
I think I understand you better now. You’re a man who sees the world falling apart around him, who wants to protect his family, his home, and his country. However I must warn you, there is a danger in Populism and Nationalism, which has been variously called the Identitarian drive or the Herd instinct, but whatever you call it, it exists. It appeals to mass emotions and hysteria, it keeps men from thinking rationally, and it eventually ends in mob rule and tyranny of the people. I encourage you to read Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn’s books The Menace of the Herd, and if you feel up to the challenge, Leftism. I hope these open your eyes to the danger.
You feel that you must fight for the here and now, and defend what you have left. I commend you for this. However, some of us have a different vocation. While you fight to save the present and the local, we fight for ideals and the future. When the present crisis is over, the world will either dissolve into anarchy or crystallize into a global tyranny, and there is only one solution to either problem, the Restoration of the Sacrétemporal world order and the return of the Emperor. So please, pray for guidance, reason, and do what you know to be right.
Btw, I just want to say that I am sorry about the “LARPing” remarks. I used to be very sympathetic towards monarchy and personally I have no ideological opposition to monarchy. I just think we can’t afford to be idealistic right now, not in a time like this where we are experiencing a conflux of crises, each one of which would be a major problem on it’s own.
“What he’s saying is that we should have worked to prevent this situation in the first place, and that the only solutions now are stability in the countries or integration. Wouldn’t you agree”
I would not agree. This has occurred to America’s disastrous wars in Iraq driven by the same foreign policy that led it to bomb Serbia to the stone age, have it’s good young men die for no reason in Somalia, destabilize close ally South Africa, and now, attack Assad of Syria.
And it’s easy to say that we could have worked to prevent this, but unfortunately our hostile elite would rather play with our lives for both pet ideology and personal gain (at our behest).
I also do not think that it is possible to assimilate Islam. Was Iberia, the Balkans, Anatolia, North Africa, Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece or the Levant able to do so? When the elites accepted this influx of hostile aliens, they already made the decision to destabilize our countries and destroy our cultures and faith. It’s already happening, violence is erupting throughout Europe and the same Muslims who were having a great time raping Christian, Yadizi, Alawite and other religious/ethnic minority women in the Middle East are doing so in Europe. Our hostile elite are responsible for destroying ancient Christian communities in Iraq when they unjustly toppled Saddam’s regime (which protected our brethren) and are now doing so to Europe by trying to destroy Assad (which led to a vacuum that ISIS formed to fill) and by allowing the “Syrian” “refugees” in.
They will not assimilate. What will happen is that either we will live under the Turban as dhimmis, subservient and completely broken like many/most of our brethren in the ME or we will regain our spirit and fight back and drive the animals out and try the traitors who led us here.
“As to your other question, about why the Left loves the Pope, all I can say is that while I’m not certain, isn’t this exactly the sort of thing they would do? Twist his words and alienate his most faithful supporters from him? Do you still trust in Christ’s promise, that He would protect His Church until the End of the World?”
They were never this gushy over Pope Benedict XVI. Or even JPII, as decent and mild-mannered as he was.
I believe in Christ’s promises but I recognized that this sort of thing has happened before in the Church with the Arians, the neo-pagans, the Judaizers, and the Pornocracy and the Church has always come back. That being said. Bertoglio is disturbingly close to the St, Gallen’s Mafia and other subversive and heretic/demonic cliques. The current Church is infested with these monsters who are absolutely depraved and to be honest, I don’t feel spiritually safe to be around priests anymore. The Leftist media does lie about the Catholic Church and Catholicism but they were right about the Church scandals (btw, Jews have a disgustingly high rate of sexual misconduct with minors. I’ll leave it up to you to determine why that is not exposed as the Catholic scandals).
The Church will stand strong until Christ returns, I do believe that. But I do not believe that the Church as it is right now, is filled with good men of God but Satan’s children.
” However I must warn you, there is a danger in Populism and Nationalism, which has been variously called the Identitarian drive or the Herd instinct, but whatever you call it, it exists. It appeals to mass emotions and hysteria, it keeps men from thinking rationally, and it eventually ends in mob rule and tyranny of the people. ”
I am aware of this, but at this point I feel that there is no other choice.
“While you fight to save the present and the local, we fight for ideals and the future. When the present crisis is over, the world will either dissolve into anarchy or crystallize into a global tyranny, and there is only one solution to either problem, the Restoration of the Sacrétemporal world order and the return of the Emperor. So please, pray for guidance, reason, and do what you know to be right.”
I feel that fighting in the now is a fight for the future. Not wrong with holding ideals but I believe that you must uphold the ideals while working with the realities you are given. Here’s an article that touches on how I see Christianity: http://takimag.com/article/the_fear_of_god/print#axzz455h7BSxY
Christ is our Chieftain and He shall lead us to victory. As long as we fight for what is right and good, we are fighting for Christ. To refuse to fight is to refuse to take up Christ’s call to arms which should have been evident to any Christian when the first Middle Eastern Christian woman was raped and the first Middle Eastern Christian man was murdered.
That being said, I will pray.
The Hapsburg Restorationist said:
I don’t think there’s really anything left to say at this point except that I was talking about integrating persons, not Islam. People do through God’s grace convert to the Truth. Well, you know my position and I know yours. Thanks for coming over here and talking. I as well apologize for my untrue remarks about your intelligence. Tempers always flare up in free for all Internet debates, sadly.